Re: response to question

[BLechtreck@aol.com]

>>>>>>>>>>
Terry says switching to preferential judging would hurt CEDA. Maybe so, maybe
no.  But #1 says not unique, CEDA not preferential now.  #3 says neutral
judge assignment (a better term than "random") will be "the end" of CEDA.
 But #1 says that neutral, not preferential, judging is what CEDA has now
(and has had throughout its history, just as NDT has had preferential judging
for decades).  The argument from #1 shows that #3, and not Terry's argument,
is experentially denied. 
>>>>>>>>>>

Whoa, lots of intervention going on here. First, you are making assumptions
not in the paragraphs. You are also digging into the memory banks for
(un)pertinent information. Please re-read the post. #1  says only the terry's
argument that MPJ is a reason people are leaving CEDA is denied because we
are not using MPJ. #3 says that one reason (IMHO) they are returning to NDT,
AND what may be the death of CEDA, is that programs are going to where they
can find the type of judging they want (instead of being FORCED to adapt).
YOU are the one who is forcing the contradiction by assuming people left NDT
for reasons of judging. That contradiction is not inherent in the post.

>>>>>>>>>>
In the last 20 years, participation in NDT debate has declined (another term
I don't like, since CEDA now has its own national tournament, and since no
other activity I can think of is NAMED by its championship; the NFL is not
called 'Super Bowl Football;' but I digress).
>>>>>>>>>>

Actually, it did go through a period of decline, but is now on the upswing.
In fact, junior division of NDT at San Diego was only 2-3 teams smaller than
junior CEDA (a sight not seen in MANY years). 

>>>>>>>>>>
There are lots of possible reasons for this.  But if the trend is slowing or
reversing, as you seem to suggest, and if "the end" of CEDA is coming, I am
not sure how you can claim that the reason is the fact that both have the
SAME policies they had for those 20 years of movement in the opposite
direction. 
>>>>>>>>>>

Aha, there's that intervention. I said no such thing. There are MANY reasons
that people moved from one to the other. CEDA offered things that NDT didn't
and vice-versa. Now, the reasons are becoming less important, and teams are
going back. We left NDT for CEDA 5 years ago. We really liked the judging,
but there was so little competition (# of teams not quality), that we felt
the switch was justified. Now, with the number of teams increasing, we may
switch back to get MPJ again.

No contradiction.

>>>>>>>>>> 
And do debaters switch over, or do coaches make the changes in their
programs? 
>>>>>>>>>>

I would hope that the decision is based on mutual consent. I would certainly
discuss a decision as important as this with the debaters.

Peace,

Bob Lechtreck
Bakersfield College

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