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Nude String! Counterplans In Ceda


All right... can someone explain to me why the Negative having a
generic counterwarrant is a bad thing, but a generic CP is in some way
better? Adam (and others), you've confused me.

A CW and a CP are somewhat similar conceptually in that they both
clash with one subject area by bringing into the round a different
subject area that in some way supports the conclusion that the
reslution is false; but a CW competes with a claim of fact or value,
and a CP competes with a plan.  If the resolution is "rugs are blue",
and I (the aff) claim "my rug is blue", a counterwarrant of "80% of
Stainmaster carpets produced are brown" makes sense.  A counterplan of
"buy a new rug" has no bearing on the resolution.  However, if the
resolution is "Violence is a justified response to having a blue rug"
then a counterplan of "buy a new (non-blue) rug *is* a maningful
response, and a counterwarrant of "80% of Stainmaster carpets are
brown" is a non sequitor.

So why, Adam, do you say a generic CP is better thana  generic CW?
The two positions have different conceptual meanings and uses.  I'll
leave alone the whole issue of whether generic or on-point arguments
are better for the moment. I'm honestly confused why a generic CP = a
good debate and a generic CW = a bad debate.

Counterplans are a  mechanism for testingthe adequacy/advantages of a
solvency mechanism.  IMO, if an Aff runs a plan, then counterplans are
a logical way to test their claims, and I do not see that there can be
any argument against the use of counterplans in this way.  Why should
the Aff's chosen solvency mechanism be viewed as the only opssible
solvency mechanism?  However, if the Aff is not making a solvency
claim, CPs make no sense.

Of course, there aare the times when an Aff makes an *implied* plan,
in which case the c-x of 1AC needs to pin th Aff down to what sort of
comparison they are making, but I don't think our discussion would be
helped by focusing on the "undecided" ground, but rather by focusing
on the types of clear rounds, at least first. 

Glenn

[PS: Jamey (and others), I *will* have a response in the
Plans/parametrics thread today]
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