Pride.

[Michelin Christopher Massey <Michelin.Massey@Colorado.EDU>]

On Fri, 2 May 1997, Ryan Sparacino wrote:

> for starters, i'm not sure if zalmay appreciates you spelling his name
> wrong. 

If you check your own posts, you write "Zalmay's" last name exactly the
same...maybe that is where he got that info from...

> i didn't ignore the other reasons for se asia -- and we both agree
> they're  excellent areas.  for instance, does it only make my stomach churn
> to know that those nikes on my friends feet were made by 6 year olds?  the
> human rights issues that could be explored by this topic are significantly
> more profound than previous topics, either high school or college.  genocide
> in east timor, flagrant human rights violations in vietnam, child labor in
> indonesia, religious conflict in malaysia -- there is fertile ground for
> discussion on this issue.

But, it won't be the PRIMARY issue.  And as a result, there will be the
same skimmy coverage on CRts that there was on EJ.  EVERYONE needs to have
the in-depth knowledge about HRts in the US, not just those who run cases
dealing with HRts.

> what does this prove??  discrimination and racism has been a "generic"
> before -- does that mean they too shouldn't be debated??  the fact that an
> IMPACT are has been discussed before should not be a consideration.  still
> haven't seen a decent answer to my argument that the college community has
> NEVER debated about indonesia, except that "well, we've talked about
> economic issues before"

No...we haven't talked about Indonesia specifically, but we haven't talked
about Civil Rights (in all aspects) either.  So, I guess the same disad
would apply...

> southeast asia was only an issue at the margins of the china topic, because
> no se asian countries are vying for influence in china, or percieve us
> influence as "zero-sum", wheras china does harbor said perceptions about se
> asia.

And, the ASEAN position which I heard you were pretty up on, Mr.
Sparacino?  Give me a break.  The SOUTH Asia topic (which includes the
Southeast) AND the China topic did much to discuss these issues.  Even if
you don't buy that, cross-apply my extension of the argument that CRts in
the US will always outweigh.

MM.

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