Re: Billy's grammar confusion re: "pimping"

[John Sullivan <sulliv75@pilot.msu.edu>]

Here's an email backchannel from my friend Billy.  He said do with it as I
see fit so here is what I did. Do I need to say anything?

>From: Swm36ut@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:08:24 -0400 (EDT)
>To: sulliv75@pilot.msu.edu
>Subject: Re: Billy's grammar confusion re: "pimping"
>
>I've received five copies of your post. I've read each of them and seemed to
>be left with the same impression each time. That impression is: Corn-dog must
>be one hell of a debater.
>
>
>In a message dated 97-05-01 15:54:00 EDT, you write:
>
>>>Well, gee, could you please list all other words whose connotative
>>>interpretation might cause you to react by recounting your global
>>experiences
>>>with sexual oppression? Do you have the right to penalize other people that
>>>don't share your committment to politically-correct language? 
>>>
>>
>>Good job answering the argument you _can_ while ignoring the one which came
>>before this and is much more persuasive (i.e. you looked up the wrong word
>>in the dictionary). 
>>
>One, well what's your response to the argument that I am winning? Two, I
>think I have responded to the argument that you feel I _can't_ answer.
>Pimping is a different word than pimp. It means weak or puny. It is an
>adjective. Misuse of that word as a verb by jargon-hungry debaters is hardly
>a sign that they are associating a form of argumentation with sexual
>degradation. Meaning is in the receiver, never in the symbol itself. I could
>call a dog a table, and if you understood what I meant, valid communication
>is transpiring. I wouldn't be degrading "table-dom."
>
>
>>>>From what I hear from some folks, you're practically an expert on sexual
>>>oppression, Mr. West. Maybe we'd all be better off reflecting on what our
>>>actual behavior stands for, as opposed to earning PC-detection points.
>>>
>>
>>Maybe we'd all be better off reflecting on how to be nice and play well
>>with others.  Oh wait,  that's what Mark was trying to do in the first
>>place..
>
>Interesting that you feel that West's virtually never-ending attempts to show
>us his moral superiority is a form of niceness. If this is your definition of
>"niceness," I doubt that you and I will agree on much. If being a nice player
>means that I should bend to hypocricy then you can take your game and shove
>it.
>
>
>> I don't know what kind of points you're trying to earn,  but keep
>>going after people with good intentions,  it's a great way to make yourself
>>feel good.
>>
>
>Oh yeah, psychology must be your major! I'm clearly just trying to feel as
>good as possible by standing up to defend freedom of speech while
>intercepting the ire of all the West-worshippers out there. Look up his
>record. Check how many times he's barely managed to avoid statutory rape
>charges. Ask the folks at Gonzaga why he was dismissed as a grad ass at that
>institution. I'm simply tired of the hypocrites on this list taking moral
>stances that don't come anywhere near their behaviors.
>
>A word is a word. A case pimp has nothing to do with prostitution unless
>you're trying to take some sort of moral highground. This has nothing to do
>with playing nicely. It has everything to do with exposing the constant
>stream of hypocrisy on the listserve.
>
>This is a private backchannel. Do with it as you see necessary, but I feel
>that there is little, if any, purpose in continuing to discuss this with you.
>
>
>Being in finals doesn't make you Mr. Right,
>
>Billy  
>
>
>
>

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-\-> Michigan State
--\> sulliv75@pilot.msu.edu

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