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See Tuna get insulted; see me object
I fail to understand why you attacked Tuna so vehemently. He is quite
capable of defending himself, and I believe he has done so, but I
would like to add my two cents as a person who values the debate
community very highly, and Tuna in particular.
<I am disgusted that an academic would act in such an unseeming
<manner, and then try to defend himself by claiming greater authority
<on discourse than a college student. Shame.
I never saw Tuna claim in his posts to be some sort of higher
authority who is more intelligent or more informed than students
simply because he is a professor. Could you please quote me that
Here's what I read. Tuna attacked the ideas stated by Dave. Dave
claimed that is would be a good idea to bomb countries who might have
been involved with the Oklahoma bombing. Tuna said that was wrong;
bombing innocent people (you can't only hit military people when you
bomb) is unethical. Personally, I think that killing military people
is wrong too, as I am a pacifist. But anyway, no where in his post
did he use ad homs against Dave personally. He made strong objections
to that type of mindset.
Then the issue of Tuna's cross-posting to CEDA-L was raised. I don't
see how he could possibly have taken a statement out of context, as he
quoted Dave's whole post. The issue was raised by another person (not
you, Steve) as to whether the whole post was taken *out of the context
of the discussion*. Somehow, Tuna was supposed to know that Dave was
making some sort of sick joke and/or just trying to start some
discusion by making a radical claim. I didn't see any thing in the
post that indicated that it was intended to be humorous, or that he
was trying to play devil's advocate. That may be a result of this
method of communication (email) in which the tone of people's postings
is often misunderstood.
<p.s. Oh, and Mr. Snider, please feel free to cross-post this to
<CEDA-L... I think they would enjoy hearing how people not under your
<sway feel about you. If you think you are so respected, ask those
<that don't fear your treatment of them, and then hear the truth.
I did not enjoy hearing you ridicule a man I respect and care about
deeply. I don't fear Tuna, and I'm not under his sway. I don't think
you could find anyone who would claim to be; although you should feel
free to ask around.
< My oh my, you should hear what some of your debaters have to say
<about your integrity and maturity.
I was one of Tuna's debaters. And my husband Glenn and I have been
helping to coach the Vermont debaters and provide judging for them at
tournaments since we graduated four years ago. Here's what I have to
say about his "integrity and maturity."
The man you are ridiculing, whom I'd guess you've never met, had made
a huge difference in my life and the lives of many, many other
debaters. He helped me to learn how to debate. He gave me a hug when
I won, and a hug when I lost. He gave me honest feedback.
He believed in me. He supported me emotionally through a battle with
bone cancer which began in the middle of my sophomore year of college,
and lasted almost until I graduated. He hired me to work at his high
school institute when I was bald, on crutches (the cancer was in my
right leg), and having chemotherapy three times a week, because he
felt that I had something to offer. And I did. He pushed me to
excell to the best of my ability, and I did.
Tuna upheld a high standard of academic honesty, and he expected his
debaters to do the same. Tuna relentlessly pursued an evidence
fabrication case my senior year ('91), because he believes in the
integrity of the activity. He has given his time and energy to this
acitivity for many years, and he has helped to empower many of his
Not everyone agrees with his views. Good -- this is a community
founded on the idea of open discourse. I have never seen Tuna turn
down an opportunity to engage in open and civil discourse. But I
don't know anyone who doesn't respect the work he does. Feel free to
call the Dean at UVM if that's what you want to do. I'm not sure why
you feel you need to threaten Tuna that way.
A few weeks ago, the UVM team had its annual banquet. Graduating
seniors thanked Tuna for all he has helped them accomplish. They
cried. I cried. Parents and their children beamed with pride at
everything the debate team had accomplished.
I just thought you should know a little more about Tuna, whom you seem
to hold in complete disdain. He is my friend, and it hurts me to read
your vicious attack on him.
Peace and Love,
Former Vermont Debater
Hired Judge by weekend, developmental editor by weekday
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