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RE:JASON JARVIS/racist discourse and debate



On Thu, 6 Feb 1997 mecca@asu.edu wrote:

> oopps....
> 
> let me apologize in advance to matt.  some ballots say "the team who won 
> this debate was...." and others say "the better job of debateing......"
> 
> i still think any way you cut it, a ballot for racism good is an 
> affirmation of the arg.
> 
> imho
> 
> steve
> 
At what point do we delineate between affirming the ideas and affirming 
the args with the ballot? If by voting for the team running a rascism 
based arg, you agree with what they say. That means you would have to 
agree with everything the winning team said. If the team is aff, then you 
also agree with the truth of the resolution. How could you then ever vote 
neg in a later round if what you believe is the affirmative, that the 
gov't should .....?

As far as your example with Steve Kerr, I think we have a need to 
distinguish between being rascist towards a judge such as insulting them 
directly, and sponsering rascist discourse that a judge may choose to 
take offense to. Again, no one in a debate round will call someone else a 
"fucking nigger" as part of an argument but they will say that perhaps 
the only way to end rascism is head on and legitimize it. There is a big 
difference here.

What about rascist language between two players that the ref overhears? 
Is he obligated to step in a try to punish both players? What is both 
players are good friends and just playing?

If you are obligated by some higher means than the rules of the event you 
are judging, then perhaps you shouldnt be judging.

Legal judges often have to let people go that are rascist, insulting, 
unethical, and immoral because they are there to uphold the law, not to 
curb all immorality. Debate judges are there to decide who won, not who 
was the most politically correct. Again, how do you balance a dropped T 
violation with the introduction of an argument about rascism?

Matt
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