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Disclsoure and debate, the 1NC To: ceda-l@cornell.eduDisclosure in debate
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- Subject: Disclsoure and debate, the 1NC To: ceda-l@cornell.edu
- Subject: Disclosure in debate
- From: FBLN51A@prodigy.com ( JOSEPH H BOYLE)
- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:30:04 EST
John Meany believes that status quo disclosure practices are bad. I
think he's wrong.
The first argument I will answer is that Disclosure Conceals More
Than It Reveals:
1. Not Unique - tag lines are cards are the in-round equivalent of
this harm.
2. No harm - I can summarize your plan text in one sentence
"Claremont lets immigrants tell narratives."
That tells me about as much as your plan text does without the
wordiness. It's also more quickly
decoded by a receiver than is your plan text.
3. Take out - Full plan text still doesn't reveal advantages or
tricks to the case. For example: My Oceans
case was for the U.S. to rejoin UNESCO. Full plan text wouldn't
have told you that I claimed
rejoining UNESCO ='s a multilateral signal to the tier nuclear
states who would then join in indefinite
extension of the NPT thus preventing the prolif advantage we
talked about for the remaining 5 minutes
of the 1AC.
4. Advantages outweight - Okay, so what - I see the words "So-and-so
is running CVD's". I type in
CVD's into lexis and find out it means countervailing duties. I
then cut article 1030 of 2200 and
start writing my liquidity ratio disad. I don't know what
advantages they're running, I don't care. I'm
just happy I now have something to say when someone starts the 1AC
with "CVD's Suck" or "CVD's
are cool". If I didn't have the case list I'd be scratching my
head and grabbing my anarchy and T files.
Second argument is: case-list ='s false inferences.
1. Advantages still outweigh. So I go out and research case X from 3
angles when they're only running
it from angle 2: I exercised my scissor cutting skills for an
extra hour or two.
2. Take out - I'll infer correctly 9 times out of 10 what the "gist"
of case could be by sitting down
with my squad and saying "what could this be" and then reading
the literature. I have almost
infinite prep time before a round to sit at school and work as
opposed to the 10 minutes warning
I'll have to come up with something.
3. Concede - this is passive information exchange. But I would
contend that passive signals that give
me a vague idea of what something is would be superior to nothing.
So, I make a wrong assumption
about a case. That error is usually corrected when I start
reading the literature. At worst I cut
CVD's good and CVD's bad cards.
Third argument: case list is there to falsely manufacture a sense of
fairness.
1. True, but only to an extent. I don't think it's an organized
agent of social control. You have some
really pretty rhetoric on this indict of the "system" but I
wonder if there are any real world examples
you could use clarify what you mean by "the case list serves to
mask the venal competition at the
core of yet another event. It hides indifference [sic],
pettiness [sic], and subjugation [sic], the
inescapable [sic], and yet unspoken [sic, sic, sick]."
2. And the harm is... what? I'm no worse off if I "guess wrong" and
hear the 1AC except for the
invested research time. If EVERYTHING I research about a case is
wrong I just revert to the
"back-up" strategy of "shit, what the hell are CVD's?" 10 minutes
before a round...
3. Correlation but not intention. I would contend that presumption
be that the individuals taking the
time to compile and post case-lists are not doing it for entirely
self-serving reasons and that, perhaps,
they really aren't trying to manufacture a false sense of
fairness but, on the other hand, provide
a service of some kind back to the activity from which a lot of
people can benefit.
Fourth argument: case lists aren't pomo. :)
1. Concede - individuals are deprived of choice in representation.
Bummer. But has anyone asked to be
taken off the list?
2. However, I don't think it manipulates the receiver. It provides
an object for interpretation. You still
have the choice NOT to use the case list. Big ol' takeout.
3. I don't think misidentification can be so quickly thrown together
with "manipulation". I think a better
way to approach your critique of the system is to
1) Try to establish the truth statement (which in this case
would be 'Case lists don't tell you
everything about what the case does') and then postulate
a) Examples which prove (e.g. plan texts are tricky,
advantages stem from incidental actions,
the 'title' on the case list is overly broad)
b) The effects of these shortcomings
(misidentification, incomplete negative research, etc)
2) Try to establish a theory as to why these shortcomings are
tolerated.
a) Intentional misdirection by the case list
compilers and suppliers of information?
b) A secret plot by Mahoney to force debaters to be
unprepared, thus sparking a rush
of new responses in rebuttals for which he can
gleefully reduce the semester mean on
speaker points he awards.
c) A tool of the agents of social control lurking
everywhere (Matt & Randi aside).
d) Simplicity and ease in assembling and
disseminating (ding-ding, we have a winner)
e) Merely a product of the bad memories of debaters
who haven't stolen UMKC's
post-round sheet.
f) A combination of d & e as well as a "I don't
need to contribute to the list, someone will
else will tell Tuna or whoever what stuff I
heard at this tournament).
Now to the plan debate...
1. No brightline: where does disclosure stop? Just plan? Just plan
and the titles of advantages that
I'm claiming (Ban Nafta, adv 1. Heg)? Just the plan and the
advantage tag lines? Maybe I should
throw in my authors names as well... where do we stop?
2. No transition: A transition to "full-plan disclosure" would be
impeded by
a) a desire for debaters to "wait and see someone else do it
first".
b) grad ass's and debaters who say "No way are we posting plan on
the L... but thanks to everyone
else who has, now we have a competitive edge."
c) Fear that it might reveal fiat abuse and Kieran and Paul would
don the Fiat Cop uniform and, after
a talk with Bear, would figure out they really could could
back to undergraduate debate.
d) Damn laziness.
Counterplan
1. Everyone will send in their 1AC's, Extensions evidence, Negative
front-lines, disads and counterplans.
Someone who likes typing all the MPJ stats on the L will enter
all the information into a computer and
we'll have a Virtual Nationals.
Advantage 1: Tuna doesn't have to drive as far
Advantage 2: Korcok will see the info-tech and Mexico really do go
together.
Joe Boyle
UTSA
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