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Re: Speed and flowing and Mike Korcok

> One of the big things that distinguishes CEDA judging from better
> judging in other formats is that some CEDA judges, be it for reasons
> of inability or super-ability, don't try very hard when it comes to
> judging. Frankly, I find that appalling. I am not the only one that
> has made this comment on the L. Not flowing is an affront to the
> educational nature of this activity, and I don't care who it is.

Well, no. I don't think that the blanket statement applies. I find merit 
in some justification of not flowing. Darren Hicks' justification makes 
lotsa sense. If debate is truly an oral activity why do we rely so much 
on a written record? When you make your decision are you deciding on what 
the debaters argued or on what your flow says they argued. Admittedly, 
all communication in a debate round has several levels of feedback by the 
time it is used to formulate a decision BUT is the flow one additional 
level of feedback?

NONE of this shoulld be taken as me sayong that nobody should flow. I am 
simply arguing that there are valid justification for not doing so.

 
> Students work for weeks getting ready for a tournament just to have
> someone impose themselves on them by not flowing. Shame! Even at
> conversational rates, no one has the capability to adequately track
> argument progression in their head across eight speeches. This is
> nothing more the judge egoism. I promise that I won't ever demean the
> participants by not flowing what they choose to insert into the
> debate.

Well, if you mean tracking the full 10 2ac answers to the disad and then 
the 40 2nc responses and then 20 1ar ...etc. you are correct. If you are 
saying that one cannot make a rational decision in a fast round without a 
flow you are dead wrong. For instance, if a disad is extended and the 2ar 
"goes for" 6 arguments in response (or extension off of 6 2ac answers) I 
think it is perfectly possible to do so. ANyone who's seen my flow knows 
it is more of a guide than a transcription..:) I fill in the blanks - as 
you do when you look at your flow. It's only there to jog the memory - 
that means your memory is the KEY and the flow only a device to activate 
and focus it. 
 
> Having judged Mr. Klemz, I can understand his desire to facilitate
> non-flowing as a judge norm. I also thank the mighty Klemz for his
> useful reality check on my personality problems. The scorecard is
> getting full....
> 
> Bear
> 
Now, now. I;m not a paragon of virtue in these matters but your post was 
a bit casutic, don;t you think. For the record, it's been 4 years since 
Bear judged me and I'd like to think I;ve improved since then. Then 
again...

> > Aaron, don't cuss! Didn't your parents teach you any better?

Shit! I'm sorry :)

Aaron Klemz
University of Minnesota - College of Natural Resources
Dept. of Natural Resources and Environmental Studies
Assistant Director of Debate
The Blake School
Minneapolis, MN
klem0038@gold.tc.umn.edu
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