Re: Scott my Man SLU

[samadri@umslvma.umsl.edu (Al Madrid)]

>28 Apr 1997 14:57:08 CDT@
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:50:51 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Affirmative Presumption
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>I recall somone speaking of this issue at Nats, one of my novices said that
> thiswas a reason for decsion in a round for them and I believe Steve
>Donald has
>brought it up once again. There used to be a concept called presumption that
> said as long as the affirmative does not prove their case, you vote negative.
> Now,
>it seem that judges are voting affirmative on presumption. The concept of "well
>we should at least try something" is overwhelming the classic conceptions
>of bud
> burden of proof and presumption.
>My question for the community is simple enough: What is the emerging conception
> of presumption or affirmative burden of proof? Is it Status quo plus a buck or
> is is no simply status quo plus the hope that maybe something will change for
> the better? Especially on the Civil Rights topic, this issue will become
> important.I can already see the expansion of moral d-rules that will in
>essence
> say "even
>if we cannot solve, you have a moral obligation to try."
>Scott M. Elliott
>Dir. of Forensics
>Southeastern Louisiana University

re:  I think thta perhaps you need to read Slushers argument.
NEvertheless, I agree that many aff's will want to differ to this type of
D-rule, perhaps even in greater degree if I (a person of color) is in the
room.  HOwever, I'm not sure how persuasive this would be with impact turns
of greater victimization, issues of economic decline, increased racism or
even a daddy of a disad that takes into account the fire that can insue
from these issues being put forth from the top up.  I would encourage those
who are on the affirmative to be careful of what the moral high ground id,
these issues are hotly contested within the minority communities
themselves, which to an extent means that we should look at policy versus
disad comaprison.  Al Madrid

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