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Re: Treaties and Harris

 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Josh wrote:

>    Wrong, Foreign policy making power disadvantages (international treaties
>    tie our hands in foreign policy crisis - the cards are all over the place

Are you saying I sign a union labor treaty with singapore and this ties 
my hands in conflict? Splain. I understand an alliance treaty but ALL 
treaties?

>    Militia disads actually apply on this topic.  Wrong, treaty modification

Looking better. This one might have potential will look into the generic 
links.

>    Wrong, volumes of specific  evidence on almost every treaty.  Also, this

   Yup rocks for those committed and this helps novices how? It is like 
48 different concepts unless we can identify a THEME.

>    come from.  Wrong, novices and younger debaters can hardly comprehend the
>    number of options or what the topic means now....At least with this topic
>    they immediately understand what ground is available to both sides and the
>    topic allows the predictable generic ground to always be useful against
>    any of the cases....In other words, I disagree....

And they have to address ALL 48 at one time. I mean no disrespect at all 
Josh but I merely wonder if you have had the privilege of working with 
novices recently. I admire you immensely as a coach but as I recall your 
understanding of that which you were not was minimal and face it you are 
a thunderdomer, a lifer, I am merely trying to see if you can see it from 
a raw novices eyes. I do not think that this predictability you speak of 
is what they want. Most of them want a case and a disad or two they can 
talk about intelligently. If they have some case cards down the road more 
better. My first coaching experience ever with a novice was against a 
global warming case I whipped out the co2 turns, an oil disad, bunch of 
specific case takeouts and a generic or two took him outside and 
explained it all in 15 minutes. Came back after the round and said Eddie 
how did you do? He said picked up, we ran every topicality we had and 
went for require. Reason he had no damn clue what the hell I was talking 
about for 15 minutes. It took me a long time to understand the novices 
and I still don't think I get it completely but I finally get that 
working or not give them fism with a bunch of generic environment cards 
and they will go at it.
   Remember the struggles you had with me at UMKC and I bet you will 
start to see what i mean. When I first came I had NO CLUE what a card was 
(stories of corn disads ring a bell) much less anything else. Brian and I 
took our one skinhead disad and went at it. Sure we got spanked and 
spanked HARD at times. I am sure Brian wanted to quit a number of times, 
(especially after four minute 1NC's )but we learned, we advanced, and Brian 
won nationals. The point is it helped we could concentrate on ONE thing. 
I got lost as hell when we had to hit SMS's big stick aff. action case. 
Japan, Europe, Heg what does that have to do with colleges? Help novices 
by giving them SOLID internal link or impact answers and/or a offcase 
generic. 

> Also, what the heck is the alternative?  I have no problem with the other
> subject areas but that is hardly the question.....The question is, can
> the other areas be as well divided and predictable as the treaties area?

CFR< CFR< CFR< CFR< CFR This topic rocks and fits the same advantage as 
advertising a TON of generic cards answering the political effects of 
campaign contributions. And how many caps you think you can come up with? 
There are not a hundred different ways to reform campaign finances and 
even less that fit the constitution and have a chance in HELL of working.


Justice, Peace, and Love
Martin Che Harris, TSU Research Coordinator

"To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of people"
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