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He writes: 
1.  They AND she dramatically underestimate the risks of nuclear
war.  It HAS happened, over and over again.

And then supports it with:
In fact, there have been MANY since the criminal bombing of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  According to UC-Berkeley geographer
Bernard Nietschmann and coauthor William LaBon, the United States
(651) and Great Britain (19) have exploded 670 (!) nuclear weapons
or devices on Newe Segobia (or Western Shoshone) land making it
"the most bombed nation in the world", and surely the most heavily
irradiated (Cultural Survival Quarterly, Vol. 11,. No.4, p.5).

Hmmm, where exactly was this WAR? Oh, there wasn't one, I see.
I won't argue that we have TESTED weapons but so far, I see NO
proof of a war, let's wait, maybe he'll prove to us all soon...

His next attempt:
In 1954, the United States detonated the Edward Teller-designed
"Bravo" (!!??!!) H-bomb, 1,000 times more powerful than used in
Hiroshima at Bikini Atoll.  This bomb was designed for maximum
dispersal of fallout, and several populated islands were indeed
blanketed with radioactive death. 

Bzzz. Let me check with the judges... NOPE, not a WAR. Let me try
to briefly explain, there has to be some sort of aggression involved
in war, a CONFLICT between two or more states in which both sides
are using some degree of force to overtake or defend against the
other side.  You know, Axis v. Allies kind of thing. Most importantly
you have never cited any actual or implied aggression on the part
of the US/UK/FRANCE etc.

In his next effort:   
 
More than a decade ago, Daniel Ellsberg, of Pentagon Papers fame,
determined that the United States threatened to initiate nuclear
war on NO LESS THAN NINETEEN occasionduring the Cold War.


Well the last time I checked, threatening to use, and ACTUALLY
using nukes are two completely different things (thank god, or JFK
or Nikita, whoever decided against the conflict) I think that the
fact that we have threatened 19 times proves we will never use
them, especially after the cuban missle crisis turned out to be
nothing more than a month of sweating in October '62. If anything,
WWII served as a deterrent against the use of nukes. we saw what
happended and got scared. Now, if we use them to threaten other
countries to do something that doesn't constitute a war and
we are not *using* them in the real world sense of the word.

I am sorry that you have perceived the government testing of
nuclear weapons as WAR, it's not and it never will be. I am 
also sorry for the individuals in the Pacific that were the
victims of the testing but you are wrong. There has never 
been a nuclear WAR and never will be, sorry, thanks for playing.

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